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Riot Girl
Thundercats
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Posted - 2013.06.16 17:33:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GÇ£I paid to be overpowered, so therefore I deserve to not be subject to balancing"
Pretty much sums it up. The only people who are against T3 rebalancing are people who care more about their own selfish concerns than the overall health of the game and the experience it offers to everyone.
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Riot Girl
Thundercats
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.06.16 18:42:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:The fact is that some people pay a premium for a machine that is better than everyone else's. Should Ferrari make slower cars because Honda can't build something just as fast? The answer is NO. And the reason for that answer is "That's why Ferraris cost 150,000 bones, and a Honda S2000 is only 38k, fully loaded."
Should a Ferarri be put in a race against a Honda?
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Riot Girl
Thundercats
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.06.20 20:11:00 -
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CCP can adjust the prices when they rebalance the ships, just like they've done with every other ship in the tiericide so far.
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Riot Girl
Thundercats
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.06.21 07:13:00 -
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T3 cruisers are planned to be on par with navy faction cruisers.
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Riot Girl
Thundercats
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.06.21 09:02:00 -
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Shade Millith wrote:And a Cerberus is better at being a Caracal than the Caracal. And a Zealot is a Omen with a 40k+ buffer.
Just because they cost more, doesn't mean anything!
Nerf T2 cruisers too. And T2 frigates. They cannot be better than their T1 counterparts!
Now try comparing them to ships above their class.
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Riot Girl
Thundercats
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.06.21 14:17:00 -
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Nyancat Audeles wrote:Problem is that it seems that CCP is against one ship being BETTER than another ship. I see nothing wrong with one ship being better if you spend the training time and ISK on it. Otherwise NO ONE will fly a Zealot over the Omen, or Vagabond over SFI, etc.
T2 cruisers will be better than T1 cruisers.
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Riot Girl
Thundercats
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.06.21 15:53:00 -
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Nyancat Audeles wrote:T3s are not overpowered, but HACs are UNDERPOWERED!
So we should buff HACs to be more powerful than T3s? Would that really be healthy for the game?
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Riot Girl
Thundercats
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.06.26 14:14:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:If T3 hulls were cheaper than T1 & T2, they would be OP.
They are OP.
Quote:The high price creates a barrier to entry and a much bigger investment risk when flying them.
It's a consequence of the pilot's decision to fly the ship, it has nothing to do with balance.
Quote:So price is a balancing factor, otherwise people would be flying nothing but T3's and super caps.
What?
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Riot Girl
Thundercats
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.06.26 14:22:00 -
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I couldn't make any sense out of what he was saying with that one.
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Riot Girl
Thundercats
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.06.26 14:49:00 -
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Xolve wrote:While the Legion and Loki can boast pretty good Armor Tanks, in doing so, they each perform sub-500 dps.
I don't know about Loki, but my Legion has 112k EHP and exceeds 600 DPS with both lasers and missiles.
Rek Seven wrote:If money was no object and every one could afford to throw their T3 into a fight with reckless abandon, then T3s could render almost every other ship in the game obsolete
You're using this argument to describe why T3s are balanced?
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Riot Girl
Thundercats
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.06.26 14:53:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Do you have trouble reading?
I explained my point clearly, if you have a counterpoint, please, fire away.
No, I understood your post clearly this time. I found it unconvincing.
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Riot Girl
Thundercats
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.06.26 14:56:00 -
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Hm.
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Riot Girl
Thundercats
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.06.26 15:02:00 -
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Tears successfully extracted.
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Riot Girl
Thundercats
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.06.27 12:16:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:to the point where i quit
I like this part.
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Riot Girl
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:05:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:How do you justify the cost of your product being worst than your competitor and far more expensive?
Availability vs. demand. There is less demand for obsolete products and so their availability declines (meaning people who want it are willing to pay more to get it) while markets for relevant products stay competitive and cheap.
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Riot Girl
Thundercats
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.06.27 17:49:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:as you indicated
Lies.
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Riot Girl
Thundercats
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.06.28 21:50:00 -
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Erutpar Ambient wrote:Did we establish that cost is not a balance?
Nope. Fags keep insisting it is.
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Riot Girl
Thundercats
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.06.29 07:56:00 -
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Oh my god, that girl is hilarious.
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Riot Girl
Thundercats
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.06.29 12:37:00 -
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Nyancat Audeles wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Oh my god, that girl is hilarious. Thank you for constructively contributing to the discussion.
You don't have to thank me, being a role model for other posters is my duty.
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Riot Girl
Thundercats
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.07.01 21:12:00 -
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Making the cost of a ship appropriate to its performance doesn't mean ships are balanced around their cost.
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Riot Girl
Thundercats
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.07.03 10:23:00 -
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Onomerous wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Making the cost of a ship appropriate to its performance doesn't mean ships are balanced around their cost. And up is not up since it is really down? Or left is not left but really right? Your comment doesn't make any sense.
Which part are you struggling with? Okay, let me create a couple of scenarios so you can understand how balance doesn't work.
Scenario A:
Player A buys a Tengu for 1m isk from her friend while player B gets ripped off in Jita and pays 1bn isk for his. Both players have the same skills trained and use the same fit. They get into a fight.
What happens: Player A wins because she is smart. Player B does not win because his ship is not a billion times better just because it's a billion times more expensive. He is also incredibly stupid and that is why he lost the fight.
Scenario B:
Player A and Player B both have the same skills trained and are flying identical Tengus with identical fittings. They fight.
What happens: Player A wins because she is very intelligent and cunning. Player B loses the fight and loses SP as a result. Despite what Player B thinks (because he is incredibly stupid), he did not lose the fight because he lost SP after the fight. In fact, before the fight started, both players were evenly matched and he had at least a 20% chance of winning the fight, up to a maximum of 50% if he were smarter.
I hope this helps you understand why cost and SP loss are not balancing factors when it comes to ships engaging eachother in battle. I am player A in both examples scenarios described in this post.
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Riot Girl
Thundercats
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.07.03 12:15:00 -
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Onomerous wrote:Cost does play SOME part of balance.
Cost is a result of ship performance, not a cause of it.
Quote:I await your (as well as nasty.. probably some name calling as well..) reply.
Why would I be nasty or call you names? I'm a civil and mature adult. Here's a bear 
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations
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Posted - 2013.09.06 08:27:00 -
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Quinn Corvez wrote:Cost is a result of supply and demand.
It's also a result of manufacturing requirements which are decided by CCP after the ships have been rebalanced. Show me a single F&I thread where CCP have said they want a ship to cost a certain price and so they need to adjust the stats to suit the price range.
Quote:Higher costs create a barrier to entry i.e a Ballanced economy... Read a book for once in your miserable life.
Sorry but your words are garbage. They make no sense.
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations
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Posted - 2013.09.06 08:34:00 -
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Which price jump are you referring to? Prices jump all the time.
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations
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Posted - 2013.09.06 08:50:00 -
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CCP adjusted build costs to reflect their vision of balance within the tiericide. They didn't rebalance the ships based on the build costs, that was decided separately and while the costs reflect the balance of ships, I doubt they consulted a list of changed stats and bonuses while deciding those costs.
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations
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Posted - 2013.09.06 08:51:00 -
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Quinn Corvez wrote:you don't deserve our attention regarding your flawed logic.
Sorry but I honestly can't follow anything you say. It's all garbage and makes no sense to me.
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations
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Posted - 2013.09.06 09:08:00 -
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Quinn Corvez wrote:"I can't dispute your argument so I'm just gonna say, I don't know what you are saying"
What argument? You don't have an argument, you are talking crap.
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations
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Posted - 2013.09.06 10:29:00 -
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Dorrann wrote:THIS IS used in balancing terms
No it isn't. I haven't seen a single tiericide thread where CCP have mentioned cost as a reason for proposed changes. The changes are always made because of how the ships perform against eachother, how they perform in their roles and how they perform against other ship classes. Rebalances are made to improve gameplay, not to justify the prices of ships.
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